Curse

SOT · Oct 28, 2005, 03:13 AM // 03:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aracos79

I did download AO when they started their free trial. I played it for about a week, then dumped it. It just never caught on for me. I was bored in 5 minutes.

I would like to continue the discussion of WoW though. For the first time I find myself considering picking it up, and would like to see this discussion continue. It's been very enlightening... much better than trying to get straight answers from a WoW fansite.

If you pm me dude, Ill send you a free 30 pass for the game. You can download the game direct from them with it, and play it for 30 days, then youd have to buy the box to keep playing, if you wanted.

I am saying out in the open because I have already offered this guest code to 4 people via pm, and all said no thanks, so if you dont want it, it goes back in the pot

EchoSex · Oct 28, 2005, 03:17 AM // 03:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOT

If you pm me dude, Ill send you a free 30 pass for the game. You can download the game direct from them with it, and play it for 30 days, then youd have to buy the box to keep playing, if you wanted.

I am saying out in the open because I have already offered this guest code to 4 people via pm, and all said no thanks, so if you dont want it, it goes back in the pot

You play AO? I got some bad news for ya. I played for 3 years then finally gave up and had my account deleted and my account canceled... OR SO I DAMN THOUGH. Guess what happens? FUNCOM SELLS MY 203 AGENT ON EBAY! No joke. I have inside info from an old friend/ARK on why my charictor still exsists. I noticed he was still there when a friend IM'd me, saying some guy was messing around on my account. I told him I deleted it, and he sent me a screenie.. There it was, just as I left him - Heavy Notum Tank ARmor, Chosen AGent Tier, Kyr-Ozch rifle. What the hell? I sent the email, got a BS reply, talked to my old buddy and he gave me the straight up with proof.

How's that for a vilation of an EULA?

SOT · Oct 28, 2005, 03:20 AM // 03:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by EchoSex

You play AO? I got some bad news for ya. I played for 3 years then finally gave up and had my account deleted and my account canceled... OR SO I DAMN THOUGH. Guess what happens? FUNCOM SELLS MY 203 AGENT ON EBAY! No joke. I have inside info from an old friend/ARK on why my charictor still exsists. I noticed he was still there when a friend IM'd me, saying some guy was messing around on my account. I told him I deleted it, and he sent me a screenie.. There it was, just as I left him - Heavy Notum Tank ARmor, Chosen AGent Tier, Kyr-Ozch rifle. What the hell? I sent the email, got a BS reply, talked to my old buddy and he gave me the straight up with proof.

How's that for a vilation of an EULA?

I'm talking about WOW. I played AO on its launch, I never went back to that shit.

Aracos79 · Oct 28, 2005, 03:21 AM // 03:21

Sent ya a PM SOT, and thanks.

SOT · Oct 28, 2005, 03:51 AM // 03:51

The bad first:

Some of the quests in the game WILL drive you to having homicidal impulses. They are extremely challenging, even for someone who knows their way around a game like this. Some of the goals are so intricate as to be literally silly to many people. For example, around level 30, for my warrior, i was to collect materials from 4 corners of the god damn game world, so this old fart orc would make me a chestplate of uberbadassness for level 30+. Problem is, getting them requires quite a lot of murdering mobs, and big ones at that. Thats not the bad part, its getting back, grabbing the armor, then being told the other armor pieces must be forged by different smiths, so you have to run their errans too, one at a time. Each class has its own series like this, so you can imagine the complexity here LOL.

Other people of the opposing alliance of your character WILL attack you on sight, if you are flagged PVP. (i recommend you play on a RP server until you max out, if you play, because then you can migrate to a PVP server and have some fun!). On an RP server, no one can attack without you being flagged, and part of the fun is tricking idiots into flagging themselves. LOL.

Money - The economy in WOW is literally non-player driven. All items in the auction house are, but the merchants, no matter which one you go to, will always give the same amount for something.

Gear - As in Diablo II, if you played that, your gear, all of it, has durability. If it drops to zero on say, your boots, then all the benefit you got from that one item will be null, as if it wasnt equipped, until you repair it. That costs alot, if your items are rare.

Mats - I have personally never had a problem acquiring mats for skills, as I buy mine usually at the auction house, but hoarding them can really earn you money from selling them as well.

The level cap is currently 60 (63 if you do the high end silithus campaing raid, which is a group of parties, usually 8 in each, going after big badasses en masse).

The good:

The amount of shit you can accomplish on ONE character is mind boggling. You can learn and unlearn professions at will, so its pretty infinite on your build choise as far as professions.

10 characters per server, and you can use the in game mailbox thing to mail items around your list, which helps if you are focusing on one character and another has money, you can ship it for 32 coppers to yourself, as well as items, to any player.

All weapons, armor, and whatnot that you make, anyone who buys this and wears it, upon being seen up close by others, will show that you made that particular piece of crafting. Its kinda nerdy, but neat to see some level 50 dude wearing your boots you made and sold on auction.

Logging out for hours at a time rewards you. Meaning your wife wont leave you LOL. If you logout say, at midnight, go do your thing, and come back on at noon, proportional to your playing time, you will get 2x the xp on kills. Doing this, I have actually leveled in one kill, because I was offline during the entire 12 days immediately following hurriance katrina, as I had no power. I logged in, killed a pigman, and I hit level 19 :P

Blizzard is well known for their holiday stuff. Right now, there are jack o lanterns all over the place, and you can bob for apples in the inns and use them to heal yourself. This sounds silly, but its all those little touches that makes blizzard so great, in my opinion. For example, day and night are set greenwich mean time, so when it gets dark at your home, youll notice the night happening in the game, and the animals behave in their respectful manner (predators come out, etc).

The monsters spawn at a reasonable rate, so rarely is finding mobs a problem.

Pvp is extremely higher in skill basis, as far as I am concerned, than guild wars, for this simple reason: When someone is using soul barbs in arena of GW, you know what the hell they are up to, if you know how it works. In wow, you cannot really tell what the other person is doing, often until it is too late. The levle 60 rogue, for example, is terrifying to all players, because they can cut your throat from behind, if you dont watch your ass, and its fast kills with a rogue. On the flipside of the rogue, a warrior can take an ungodly amount of damage from a mage, which deal high damage, but have the shittiest armor out there, so you can kinda see how the emotes of a character casting or launching something might be misread, making it really more thought-based that click an icon.

The user interface is completely mod-able, down to the look and functionality of it, and you can write macros for just about anything you can think of. I have a friend that wrote a macro to send himself gold everytime i earned 4 gold on an alt character automatically. The bastard will run to the nearest mailbox and mail it. thats power!

Most of the quests (all in my opinion) have a good reward system im place. You will get some impressive items for killing pigs, etc. But if you are not in need of it, you can often sell them to vendors easy.

Bind on pickup and bind on equip: This is a special boon, because if you die, there is no corpse looting, and no one can scam out, because bound items cannot be even dragged into the player-trade window.

I have NEVER, not once, had a griefer in this game. True, I am in an RP server, but everyone I have met has been really nice, many of them are older adults who form guilds with there work-buddies. One guy in my other guild is 65 years old, and this is his retirment hobby. He has no kids, so this is his life. Thats kinda neat.

When you die, you can either do the corpse run, ala ew (you spawn as a ghost near where you died so its not that bad a thing), or you can pay the spirit in the graveyard to raise you, by knocking your items stats and ability stats by 50% for a set time limit. then it all goes back to normal.

Mounts:

Even though I loved GW, the one thing it missed most was mounts. In WOW, you have to be level 40 and have exalted rep with a faction (quests and donations beef this up) to earn a mount, but each race has a mount type, and the fastest ones are truly awesome to have, becuase you dont have to feed them.

When you kill other players, you gain ranks for your faction. The higher your faction is, the cheaper merchants will sell you items in your factions towns, etc. Keep in mind there are many other benefits, some of which I have yet to see.

I have to be frank before closing, for all that you can DO with one character alone, I honestly feel this game is underpriced monthly. You could, quite literally, keep only one character alive, and never really see and do it all. Yeah, you can max your level, but the expansion is going to raise it from 63 to 70 or so, with all new areas, and if you played the older warcraft franchise games, seeing the places, bosses, and characters from those games walking around is a thrill beyond measure. I'm a geek, so what, the first time I actually hit northrend, and see the lich king, that will simply own shit.

Mistress Eyahl · Oct 28, 2005, 04:11 AM // 04:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOT

The bad first:

Some of the quests in the game WILL drive you to having homicidal impulses. They are extremely challenging, even for someone who knows their way around a game like this. Some of the goals are so intricate as to be literally silly to many people. For example, around level 30, for my warrior, i was to collect materials from 4 corners of the god damn game world, so this old fart orc would make me a chestplate of uberbadassness for level 30+. Problem is, getting them requires quite a lot of murdering mobs, and big ones at that. Thats not the bad part, its getting back, grabbing the armor, then being told the other armor pieces must be forged by different smiths, so you have to run their errans too, one at a time. Each class has its own series like this, so you can imagine the complexity here LOL.

Other people of the opposing alliance of your character WILL attack you on sight, if you are flagged PVP. (i recommend you play on a RP server until you max out, if you play, because then you can migrate to a PVP server and have some fun!). On an RP server, no one can attack without you being flagged, and part of the fun is tricking idiots into flagging themselves. LOL.

Money - The economy in WOW is literally non-player driven. All items in the auction house are, but the merchants, no matter which one you go to, will always give the same amount for something.

Gear - As in Diablo II, if you played that, your gear, all of it, has durability. If it drops to zero on say, your boots, then all the benefit you got from that one item will be null, as if it wasnt equipped, until you repair it. That costs alot, if your items are rare.

Mats - I have personally never had a problem acquiring mats for skills, as I buy mine usually at the auction house, but hoarding them can really earn you money from selling them as well.

The level cap is currently 60 (63 if you do the high end silithus campaing raid, which is a group of parties, usually 8 in each, going after big badasses en masse).

The good:

The amount of shit you can accomplish on ONE character is mind boggling. You can learn and unlearn professions at will, so its pretty infinite on your build choise as far as professions.

10 characters per server, and you can use the in game mailbox thing to mail items around your list, which helps if you are focusing on one character and another has money, you can ship it for 32 coppers to yourself, as well as items, to any player.

All weapons, armor, and whatnot that you make, anyone who buys this and wears it, upon being seen up close by others, will show that you made that particular piece of crafting. Its kinda nerdy, but neat to see some level 50 dude wearing your boots you made and sold on auction.

Logging out for hours at a time rewards you. Meaning your wife wont leave you LOL. If you logout say, at midnight, go do your thing, and come back on at noon, proportional to your playing time, you will get 2x the xp on kills. Doing this, I have actually leveled in one kill, because I was offline during the entire 12 days immediately following hurriance katrina, as I had no power. I logged in, killed a pigman, and I hit level 19 :P

Blizzard is well known for their holiday stuff. Right now, there are jack o lanterns all over the place, and you can bob for apples in the inns and use them to heal yourself. This sounds silly, but its all those little touches that makes blizzard so great, in my opinion. For example, day and night are set greenwich mean time, so when it gets dark at your home, youll notice the night happening in the game, and the animals behave in their respectful manner (predators come out, etc).

The monsters spawn at a reasonable rate, so rarely is finding mobs a problem.

Pvp is extremely higher in skill basis, as far as I am concerned, than guild wars, for this simple reason: When someone is using soul barbs in arena of GW, you know what the hell they are up to, if you know how it works. In wow, you cannot really tell what the other person is doing, often until it is too late. The levle 60 rogue, for example, is terrifying to all players, because they can cut your throat from behind, if you dont watch your ass, and its fast kills with a rogue. On the flipside of the rogue, a warrior can take an ungodly amount of damage from a mage, which deal high damage, but have the shittiest armor out there, so you can kinda see how the emotes of a character casting or launching something might be misread, making it really more thought-based that click an icon.

The user interface is completely mod-able, down to the look and functionality of it, and you can write macros for just about anything you can think of. I have a friend that wrote a macro to send himself gold everytime i earned 4 gold on an alt character automatically. The bastard will run to the nearest mailbox and mail it. thats power!

Most of the quests (all in my opinion) have a good reward system im place. You will get some impressive items for killing pigs, etc. But if you are not in need of it, you can often sell them to vendors easy.

Bind on pickup and bind on equip: This is a special boon, because if you die, there is no corpse looting, and no one can scam out, because bound items cannot be even dragged into the player-trade window.

I have NEVER, not once, had a griefer in this game. True, I am in an RP server, but everyone I have met has been really nice, many of them are older adults who form guilds with there work-buddies. One guy in my other guild is 65 years old, and this is his retirment hobby. He has no kids, so this is his life. Thats kinda neat.

When you die, you can either do the corpse run, ala ew (you spawn as a ghost near where you died so its not that bad a thing), or you can pay the spirit in the graveyard to raise you, by knocking your items stats and ability stats by 50% for a set time limit. then it all goes back to normal.

Mounts:

Even though I loved GW, the one thing it missed most was mounts. In WOW, you have to be level 40 and have exalted rep with a faction (quests and donations beef this up) to earn a mount, but each race has a mount type, and the fastest ones are truly awesome to have, becuase you dont have to feed them.

When you kill other players, you gain ranks for your faction. The higher your faction is, the cheaper merchants will sell you items in your factions towns, etc. Keep in mind there are many other benefits, some of which I have yet to see.

I have to be frank before closing, for all that you can DO with one character alone, I honestly feel this game is underpriced monthly. You could, quite literally, keep only one character alive, and never really see and do it all. Yeah, you can max your level, but the expansion is going to raise it from 63 to 70 or so, with all new areas, and if you played the older warcraft franchise games, seeing the places, bosses, and characters from those games walking around is a thrill beyond measure. I'm a geek, so what, the first time I actually hit northrend, and see the lich king, that will simply own shit.

Good boy. People need to stop comparing GW's to WoW cos it's like comparing a Moped to a Limo. Not the fact that one's bigger and better, they're just two VERY different things.

Aracos79 · Oct 28, 2005, 04:16 AM // 04:16

Which is the Moped and which is the Limo?

Mistress Eyahl · Oct 28, 2005, 04:19 AM // 04:19

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Originally Posted by Aracos79

Which is the Moped and which is the Limo?

Uh.. which do you pay more for?
Which offers more?
Which contains more people?
Which comes with balloons..

..okay forget the balloons.

Aracos79 · Oct 28, 2005, 04:22 AM // 04:22

Ballons? Snap... I'm sold now.

LOL... pay no attention to me, it's late and my brain isn't functioning.

Mistress Eyahl · Oct 28, 2005, 04:31 AM // 04:31

I just think it's daft to talk about cos everyone's biased.. even me.

Plus.. just because someone doesn't like something, it doesn't make it bad. The people who don't like WoW need to STOP saying it's awfull. That's so ignorant.

I don't like the colour pink but that's a personal opinion not a fact.

ty3c · Oct 28, 2005, 04:34 AM // 04:34

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Originally Posted by LeftAlone-

I have only played the game for a bit over two weeks myself, and at first, when GW was still in Beta, I though it sucked arse becaus GW was so uber cool and blaa blaa.. three months and 600 hours of GW later, I am dead bored of GW, and I realised how much more I would of enjoyed WoW.
WoW is a game that can really provide a sence of Role Playing.. so many ways to develop your character. Professions.. crafting.. the items.. quest.. so many other little things.. They make the game rich.
In GW there is no originality really.. Everyone can look like anyone else, and there is not that much of diversity in skill sets/combinations. Extremely poor PvE world also, and a total lack of professions... Its more like an FPS in a way..
I mean.. Look at Runescape.. rediculous graphics, but BIG load of things to do.. If you have the time to put in that game, it rewards you with a rich character development experience.

I'm really sad I can't play WoW.. Cant pay that monthly fee.. Would be great to have it though..

runescape took me four years to make a great character but i did it

few of his stats

80 str

wears rune

lvl 88

20 million in the bank.

and yea theres lots of things to still do

i quit it tho becuase i was taking alot of time and i needed to study so much stuff you woulnt even know how much i had missed.

Guillaume De Sonoma · Oct 28, 2005, 05:11 AM // 05:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by ty3c

runescape took me four years to make a great character but i did it

few of his stats

80 str

wears rune

lvl 88

20 million in the bank.

and yea theres lots of things to still do

i quit it tho becuase i was taking alot of time and i needed to study so much stuff you woulnt even know how much i had missed.

Really I quit because the community there is worse than in GW

lOstmagi · Oct 28, 2005, 05:20 AM // 05:20

uhh i was a WoW junky during the summer =D lvl 60 shaman. It was an extremely addicting game but you need to invest a lot of time to be able to get good. the game does not really get good until you start hitting the instances around lvl 20ish or so and it really takes off around lvl 40. Once you hit 60 though, the game just kinda stops and the only thing you can do is wait join instances to gain better stuff/ farm to make stuff/ pvp for better pvp stuff/ just gank lowbies or sell stuff.
The stuff in the game is really cool thought. THe ingame auction house makes buying and selling easy. The huge areas in the game are fun to explore and the instnaces are fun. But after a while 2-5 hour instances get boring and everything gets pretty stupid. Highlights are when you get a new item and that just lasts for a lil bit too.....

Guillaume De Sonoma · Oct 28, 2005, 05:34 AM // 05:34

GW is now making an effort for the holidays just visit draknors and take a look around

Sagius Truthbarron · Oct 28, 2005, 06:19 AM // 06:19

WoW kind of reminds me of Starbucks. So many people seem to -love- it and so many others do nothing but protest it.

SOT · Oct 28, 2005, 09:40 AM // 09:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by warren_kn

This is the first time another game has been offered as an alternative in this thread. Why, if your gonna play a game other than Guild Wars, must you get WoW. There are several reall good games out there, and several more close to release. I for one am waiting for Dark and Light, and perhaps DnD Online.

No one MUST get wow. This thread is about WOW. Amazing bravado there, dude. And no, it wasn't the first time another game had been mentioned. Learn to read, then form thoughts based on reality.

warren_kn · Oct 28, 2005, 10:53 AM // 10:53

I didnt say that they must get it, I was questioning their apparently automatic choice. It was the first time (that I could see) that a different game was put up as an alternative, not just mentioned.

I learnt to read a couple of decades ago, maybe that's the problem

. I do try (sometimes) to base my thoughts on reality, sorry if I offended you in some way.

Finally, I wasn't WoW bashing if that's what you thought, far from it.

SOT · Oct 28, 2005, 11:57 AM // 11:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by warren_kn

I didnt say that they must get it, I was questioning their apparently automatic choice. It was the first time (that I could see) that a different game was put up as an alternative, not just mentioned.

I learnt to read a couple of decades ago, maybe that's the problem

. I do try (sometimes) to base my thoughts on reality, sorry if I offended you in some way.

Finally, I wasn't WoW bashing if that's what you thought, far from it.

it's cool.

Doooom · Oct 28, 2005, 01:49 PM // 13:49

I'm surprised at how few people mention EQ2 here.

ShotGunBunny · Oct 28, 2005, 03:52 PM // 15:52

Seriously, it seems like the most people who have played WOW quit simply because it wasn't their kind of game, so their oppinion has no value at all, first of all, GW is NOT an MMO and thus relating it to WOW is stupid.
I played GW since the very first beta and bought the game as soon as it came out.
I think that the main ideas behind GW don't match, no monthly fees=lots of young and thus also a lot of immature players join. Then theres the fact that GW is team based Teambased game+Immature Players=you do the math!
I haven't played GW seriously for 2 months now but i check the forums every once in a while, about 1,5 month ago i decided to buy WOW and as all MMO's it has it good sides and bad sides, i would first of all like to state that almost everyone who played WOW and posted here cannot say they have ever played WOW since they didn't even scratch the edge of the whole thing(or at least it seems so from your posts)You certainly need some free time for it, but if you don't have free time, then why the hell can you actually post at this forum, eh? Sure there's also a lot of immature players in WOW, maybe more then in GW since it's just a far more popular game, but in WOW your not constantly dependant on your team, and it also makes a lot if difference which side you choose. From my experience i've seen that Horde has a lot more mature players, this maybe because the Alliance has the Paladin class, which every noob thinks is the best class ever, which it certainly isn't(there's isn't an all powerfull class like the monks in GW, and that's a huge plus for me)It all comes down to skill, yup that's right, where GW only says skill is the key on the box WOW makes true, it may be because i'm a very experienced RPG player that there's not a lot of skill to gain for me in GW, but in WOW it is truely your skill that decides(another great plus for me) I can easily own those allmighty healing paladins while mny others seem to have huge problems with it(here's a hint: interupt their healing spell!)

One thing i'm sure you hear a lot about is the constant ganking in WOW (for those who do not know, ganking=gang killing)But the first thing you could do is just join a PVE server, but in my view of WOW PVP just has to be a part of it. And then people start complaining like "oh no i got ganked!" (i swear people are like that constantly) my advice: get over it! you joined a PVP server so go f yourself if you regret it now! Ok, that's one of the biggest issues of WOW dealt with.

Then there's the time involved in getting a lvl 60 char, i know people who've never gotten a char higher then 30-40, since that's when the grinding starts, but seriously, if you dont want to grind, don't. You can still have fun @ lvl 40
And you also need to put some time into finding them uber items end game, but i'm not nearly as bored grinding in WOW as i am when farming for my 15k armor in GW. (in case you didn't notice, yes, there's grinding in GW too!) And then there's no way for me to sell my stuff since i'm not some retarded salesman but i just wanna play, and selling the items to the merchant get's you a way too low price, exactly the opposite of WOW, there you can sell everything for a decent price @ vendors and of course you also have the auction house, which is actually like making twice as much money for an item by just waiting.

One of the things i do hate about WOW are the stupid misformed RP servers, don't get me wrong, i love RPing, but in WOW it just sucks total ass since a lot of 5 year old kids think they can own everyone there by just grinding day and night while all the RPers are still lvl 20 and of course you get everything that comes with your standard immature player package.

In closing, like you i started getting tired of GW some time ago, luckily i now have WOW and i'm enjoying every minute of it, i'm certain that there's will be a day (maybe in about 3 months

) that i'll get tired of WOW too, it's inevitable, but that's just the cycle of life.. errr... games.

PS: it's true that you need to have some payment ready to create an account, but you should be glad you're getting that free month instead of whining about it. Here's some nice math that i always use when people say that MMO's are a waste of money:
An average game of this year took me about 4-7 days of 6h/d playing and you pay 40-60 euro's for such games.
Now, with an MMO, i'll just take WOW as an example, you just need to pay about 15 euro's for another month of playing, so that translates to like:
50$ for 60 hours vs. 45$ for 1 month + 15$ for the next month.